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possessive case



silvanija
Lithuania

possessive case
 
Hello all.
 
What is the possessive case of the name LIZ?  Liz �s, Liza �s or Lizas? Wacko
 
Thanks in advance
 
Silvana

16 Nov 2010      





sanchezos
Serbia

Silvana, if the name is Liz, than the possessive adjective is Liz �s, but be careful with the pronunciation.

Hugs !

PS.
What a beautiful name you �ve got! Smile


16 Nov 2010     



moravc
Czech Republic

It belongs to Liz. = It is Liz �s. :-D
Beware of surnames ending in -s !
This is Mrs Jones �s house.
This is the Joneses � garden.
These are the Joneses � chairs.

Liza �s dog is ok only if the girl �s name is Liza.

to sanchezos: how do you pronounce Liz �s?  (lizis)?

16 Nov 2010     



silvanija
Lithuania

I always thought that it should be Liz �s, but today my son was told by his English teacher that "Lizas" is the correct one... It confused me a lot Confused

16 Nov 2010     



libertybelle
United States

the name is pronouced: Liz-es.
A name never changes when writing the possessive.

Moravc - you forgot:

 The Jones � house. (pronounced Joneses)
The possessive can either be written with an extra   �s  or s �


16 Nov 2010     



sanchezos
Serbia

Yes, like liberty...wrote.

16 Nov 2010     



zoemorosini
United States

I made a printable on possessives using "s", if anyone is interested.

16 Nov 2010     



lizsantiago
Puerto Rico

my real name is liz and both are accepted   liz �  or liz �s 

Possessive Form of Singular Nouns Ending with S

Many people struggle with the possessive case of singular nouns when the words already end with s. The general rule is this:
Form the possessive singular of nouns with �s.

Here are some examples:

  • James�s cat
  • Mrs. Jones�s attorney
  • Dr. Seuss�s book

Exceptions

Of course, we�re talking about the English language, so we�re going to have some exceptions to the rule. While grammar books and style guides don�t necessarily agree on how to determine these exceptions, most consider a word�s pronunciation. Here is what a few of the books say:

  • If pronunciation would be awkward with the added -�s, some writers use only the apostrophe. Either use is acceptable. (Diana Hacker, A Writer�s Reference)
  • Exceptions are the possessives of ancient proper names in -es and -is [such as Achilles� and Isis�], the possessive Jesus�, and such forms as for conscience� sake, for righteousness� sake. (Strunk and White, The Elements of Style)
  • With some singular nouns that end in -s, pronouncing the possessive ending as a separate syllable can sound awkward; in such cases, it is acceptable to use just an apostrophe. (Kirszner & Mandell, The Brief Holt Handbook)
  • Since writers vary in the use of the apostrophe, it is not possible to make a hard and fast rule about the apostrophe in singular words ending in s.� Punctuate according to pronunciation. (John E. Warriner, English Grammar and Composition)

16 Nov 2010     



silvanija
Lithuania

Thank you, dears. You are a great help.
 
 Hug

16 Nov 2010     



yanogator
United States

But, Libertybelle, your example of "the Jones � house" would only be correct if the family name is Jone. Then the plural (the whole family) would be the Jones, and the possessive, Jones �, as you said.
 
But, if the name is Jones, then the plural is Joneses (I �d like you to meet the Joneses, keeping up with the Joneses), and the plural possessive is Joneses �
 
Bruce

16 Nov 2010     



MoodyMoody
United States

Bruce/yanogator, the language, it is a �changin. Those of us over a certain age were taught to use a simple apostrophe after a singular noun, common or proper, that ended in s or z. So libertybelle and lizsantiago are perfectly correct.  You must be young enough that you didn �t learn that in school. Common usage now, however, is to use �s after any singular noun.
 
So, Silvana, tell your son �s teacher that she/he is mistaken. Although Liz and Liza can both be used as nicknames for Elizabeth, if the form is Liz, you can �t write Liza �s. (In American English, they don �t even use the same vowel sound. Liz is /liz/ and Liza is  

/laiz� ə/.

16 Nov 2010     

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