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		Grammar and Linguistics > Another doubt on relatives     
			
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 MsPoppins
 
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							| Another doubt on relatives 
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							| Dear All, 
 Here I am with another question about relatives. Do you think the relative clause in the following sentence should be written between commas?
 
 I met a nice girl whose father is English.
 I met a nice girl, whose father is English.
 
 I know defining relative clauses are essential to clarify and make the antecedent more precise; personally, I would not write commas. However, one of my collegues thinks the opposite. So far I have two opinions: one in favor, one against... I need your help!!
 
 Thanks a lot in advance.
 MsPoppins
  
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 aura+
 
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							| No commas, in my opinion. |  29 Apr 2010     
					
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 Carla Horne
 
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							| You and Aura+ are correct. It is essential because you don �t know which girl you are speaking about until the clause is written. 
 Carla
 
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 MarianaC
 
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							| If you said "the girl that I met, whose father is English, was lovely" then commas would be ok because it �s clear which girl you are talking about, you don �t need to identify her/define her as you are using the definite article the. But because you �re using "I met a girl whose father is English" and used an indefinite article, then you need to give more information to define her/identify her. Therefore you need a defining relative clause, no commas. |  30 Apr 2010     
					
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 MsPoppins
 
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							| Now I have five opinions: four in favor, one against... 
 Thank you very much aura, Carla and Mariana for your help. Have a nice weekend!!
 MsPoppins
  
 
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