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 Pretty3
 
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							| Hi,   Can you tell me what the difference is between :   She wrote a letter herself. She wrote a letter by herself.   ??     Regards, Pretty |  8 Apr 2012      
					
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 pilarmham
 
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							| I �d say that 
 She wrote a letter herself means that no one else did it for her. She wrote a letter by herself means that she was alone when she did it. |  8 Apr 2012     
					
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 Pretty3
 
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							| mmmm pilarmham
you mean they have the same meaning ??   When no one did it means she was alone when she did it.  |  8 Apr 2012     
					
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 ueslteacher
 
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							| Here �s what the dictionary has: 
Herself1) used when the woman or girl who performs an action is also affected by it
She hurt herself.
2) used to emphasize the female subject or object of a sentenceShe told me the news herself.
 Jane herself was at the meeting.
 
 (all) by herself1alone; without anyone elseShe lives by herself.2without helpShe runs the business by herself.
 Sophia |  8 Apr 2012     
					
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 pilarmham
 
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							| Well, in the first example maybe she had some company, I bet she was quite bored in the second one. In any case, she did all the work! |  8 Apr 2012     
					
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 MoodyMoody
 
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							| "She wrote the letter by herself" can also mean "without help." I can hear a 5-year-old child say, "I did it all by myself," with Mommy standing right there. |  8 Apr 2012     
					
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 pilarmham
 
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							| That �s not fair, MoodyMoody, you are mixing up things! |  8 Apr 2012     
					
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 Apodo
 
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							| I agree with MoodyMoody. 
A child can do something by themselves, but it doesn �t mean they are alone. We use this phrase all the time. 
  This is the meaning I would infer from these sentences:   She wrote a letter herself. - (1) She didn �t have someone else (eg: a lawyer ) write it for her. or (2) Several people wrote letters (eg: to the newspaper) and she wrote one also.   She wrote a letter by herself. - I would assume this is a child/person writing without assistance.   She was by herself when she wrote the letter. - She was alone. |  8 Apr 2012     
					
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 Pretty3
 
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							| Thanks a lot all for your help :) |  9 Apr 2012     
					
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