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 mari_18cf
 
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							| Hey guys, thanks for all the answers. Do I really have to touch my tong in the roof of my mouth like I saw in "french frog" post? 
 
 I have never done this! 
 I got that one is N and the other is NG (without pronouncing totaly the G/ what is quite difficult) , but sometimes they seem almost identical for me. Bl���� |  15 Jul 2012     
					
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 MoodyMoody
 
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							| The n letter in bang and bank is the /ŋ/ sound. The difference is that in bank, the end is denasalized and devoiced, in other words, a /k/. The /ŋ/ sound is pronounced at the same place as /g/ and /k/, but with the nasopharynx open like /m/ or /n/. The /�/ (not IPA but I don �t feel like cut-pasting and you know what I mean) sound is an alveo-palatal nasal, articulated at the same place as sh or ch.   That �s a problem learning new languages. What sounds like two distinct sounds to an English speaker sound the same to many of you. It �s even worse in the vowels than the consonants. I don �t know enough Portuguese to give examples going the other way, but I have problems differentiating a French /�/ from an English schwa, even though I know they are different sounds. |  15 Jul 2012     
					
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 libertybelle
 
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							| Mari - it �s the middle of your tongue  not the tip of your tongue. 
 As long as we �re in the learning corner:
 tongue is pronounced like = tung
 
 A tong is a thing you pick up things with - it �s NOT a tongue.
 These are tongs:
 
  
 
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 mari_18cf
 
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							| Hey libertybelle! I knew about this! but thanks anyway. I wrote wrongly. :) |  16 Jul 2012     
					
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 mari_18cf
 
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							| MoodyMoody, all these tecnical terms make it even more difficult for learners. It confuses me a lot. |  16 Jul 2012     
					
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