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Message board > till/until vesus as far as
till/until vesus as far as
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Missfrancisca
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till/until vesus as far as
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Hello colleagues
I was teaching a group last week and we read the following sentence
First, take the underground to
West-minster Station. Then
walk up Parliament Street
until/ till you get to
Downing Street
One student told me that she thought until/till was not correct , the correct one should be as far as with reference to distance, because until/till is used to express time relations and It was not clear to me either , I said to her that the refernce is to time but I would be very grateful if you could give me a better explanation because she was not quite convinced with mine. Thanks in advance. |
12 Oct 2012
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cunliffe
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�until you get � is correct. The explanation is that it �s a verb phrase. �As far as � would be fine without the verb, as in �walk as far as Downing Street. � (It sounds a bit odd, though.) I �m sure there �ll be better explanations! |
12 Oct 2012
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annabelle1654
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: to the extent or degree that <is safe, as far as we know> �often used in expressions like �as far as (something) goes� and �as far as (something) is concerned� to mean �with regard to (something)� <we felt pretty safe as far as the fire was concerned � Mark Twain> or in expressions like �as far as (someone) is concerned� to mean �in (someone �s) opinion� <as far as I �m concerned, it �s a mistake> It in my opinion is rarely used for distance unless you mean duration: Walk as far as you can south, then go east 2 miles. Hope this helps Belles |
12 Oct 2012
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Pelletrine
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I guess the notion of duration will help: here is what Merriam- Webster says:
Main Entry: 1un�til Pronunciation GuidePronunciation: ( ) n.]|til, _n]_tl, often n] after t, d, s, z, often m after p, b, often  after k, g; sometimes  n.tl or |n.til or]|telFunction: prepositionEtymology: Middle English, from un- unto, until (akin to Old English  th, preposition & conjunction, to, up to, until, Old High Germanunt, preposition, unto, until, Old Norse & Gothic und, preposition, unto, until, Old English end end) + til till -- more at END, TILL1 chiefly Scotland a -- used as a function word to indicate movement to and arrival at a destination b -- used as a function word to indicate movement reaching as far as a limit or stopping point c : AGAINST2 chiefly Scotland : TO, TOWARD3 -- used as a function word to indicate continuance (as of an action, condition, or state) up to a particular time <a tedious task which took until almost ten o �clock that night -- M.M.Musselman> <the accident remained undiscovered until morning>4 a -- used as a function word after a negative expression to indicate performance or occurence at a specified time <the final ordering cannot be achieved until page proof -- American Institute of Physics> b : BEFORE <had barely heard of the mayoruntil this evening -- Nigel Dennis> ....
hope it helps |
12 Oct 2012
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pilarmham
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This is what makes this site wonderful. 
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12 Oct 2012
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yanogator
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We use until or till (and the very common misspellings, til, �til, til � and �till, all of which drive me crazy) before an event, which, of course, happens in time. So, "until you get to..." is definitely correct. Bruce |
12 Oct 2012
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pilarmham
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until one finds the right place, one can �t get there, I suppose
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12 Oct 2012
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