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 Kadrie
 
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							| We study the differences  in meanings of  both, all, each and their places in the sentences. I am ashamed to ask you but i don �t know what is the better way to express the following:   Ann �s parents are both doctors. or Both Ann �s parents are doctors.   Chemistry and physics are both sciences. or Both chemistry and physics are sciences.      |  11 Feb 2009      
					
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 Zora
 
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							| I �d have to say both sound correct to me... pick which ever one you feel more comfortable with. |  11 Feb 2009     
					
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 kiky
 
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							| Usually, we say  � Ann �s parents are both doctors. � Because we need to have a reference before the  �both �, that way we know the reference of  �both �. |  11 Feb 2009     
					
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 moscwa
 
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							| Hello, Ekaterina. 
 The second sentences are correct. Word order in the first sentences is characteristic of the Russian language.
 You could consult the following editions: "Grammarway" by Jenny Dooley - Virginia Evans ( Express Publishing)
 or " English Grammar in Use" by Raymond Murphy ( Cambridge University Press)
 But it seems that this is true in academic sense, that is when you need to fulfil some exercise strictly obeying the rules. Although you can often meet deviations from the rules in oral speech.
 
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 alien boy
 
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							| In spoken English both versions of the statements are commonly used. 
 According to Swan �s  �Practical English Usage � (3rd ed) they would both be correct.
 
 " Both means  �each of two �.
 Both my parents were born in Scotland.
 We do not normally use both when the meaning is not  �each �."
 
 "Before a noun with a determiner (e.g. the, my, these), both and both of are both possible.
 She �s eaten both (of) the chops. Both (of) these oranges are bad.
 He lost both (of) his parents when he was a child.
 
 We often drop the or a possessive after both; of is not used in this case.
 She �s eaten both chops. (NOT ... both of chops)
 He lost both parents when he was a child."
 
 Cheers
 
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 Kadrie
 
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							| Thank you for your replies! 
 
 
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