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 nurikzhan
 
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							| HI, PLS, help, urgent 
 Which one is correct? 
 Jack �s and Jill �s fathers Jack �s and Jill �s father Jack and Jill �s father 
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 nurikzhan
 
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							| Find the word combination with a broken order 
 -bread and butter -bacon and eggs -wine and cheese -sausage and mash -fish and cheese 
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 freddie
 
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							| In the first question, it depends on the context. They could all be correct depending on who you are referring to. Without a context, it is impossible to say which is correct. 
 Also, for the second question, I am not sure what you mean by "broken order" but they are all common collocations except "fish and cheese". However, fish and cheese is not a "broken order" or wrong, it is just an unusual collocation. 
 "I hate fish and cheese." Nothing wrong here but it isn �t a common collocation which is I think what you are trying to get at? |  17 Oct 2014     
					
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 nurikzhan
 
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							| Thank you very much, anyway!!! 
 
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 Sonn
 
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							| Jack and Jill �s father fish and cheese
 
 Best wishes,
 Natalia
 
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 yanogator
 
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							| If they have the same father, then it �s "Jack and Jill �s father"   If they have different fathers, then either "Jack and Jill �s fathers" or "Jack �s and Jill �s fathers" is correct.   I can �t think of a situation in which "Jack �s and Jill �s father" would be used.   Like freddie, I don �t know what you mean by "broken order".   Bruce |  17 Oct 2014     
					
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 douglas
 
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							| I �m guessing that what you mean by broken order, is something to do with not traditionally fitting together--in that case fish and cheese would be your "broken order" (all the others are traditionally seen as belonging together)--which Freddie probably rightfully called collocations.   For my US friends: Bangers and Mash "is a traditional British Isles dish made of mashed potatoes and sausages" and  is also known as Sausage and Mash.   Cheers, Douglas |  17 Oct 2014     
					
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 cunliffe
 
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							| Bruce is right about the first question. Yes, on the second one,  �fish and cheese � don �t go together, although they do taste nice together. I would add that we always say  �cheese and wine � rather than  �wine and cheese. � |  17 Oct 2014     
					
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 yanogator
 
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							| It �s funny, Lynne, that in the US, we always say "wine and cheese". Bruce |  17 Oct 2014     
					
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 cunliffe
 
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							| @ Bruce - Do you??? Well, well, well... What about  �cheese and biscuits? � Lynne |  17 Oct 2014     
					
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 yanogator
 
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							| @LynneIt �s cheese and crackers here, and in that order. 
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