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HarisT
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I think the answer is to "make up". One of the meanings of make up is to put together, construct, compose. If you write "make out", it will mean that you are trying to discern what the shopping list says. |
12 Jun 2015
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Gi2gi
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I have never heard of someone making up or making out a shopping list. Yes, make up is a phrasal verb, you make up a story. And also you can make out somebody �s face when it is dark. But you make a shopping list. Without any prepositions or phrasal meanings, as simple as that. I agree with myself and Lynne :))))) . Further discussion in this topic will lead to nothing for me. Cheers. Giorgi |
12 Jun 2015
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almaz
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But for others who are in the business of learning as well as teaching, both make out and make up in the sense of composing, compiling or drawing up a list are well-attested. But don �t take my word for it. Here are a few random examples from the OED: 1743 B. Franklin Proposal Promoting Useful Knowl. in Papers (1960) II. 383 That the Business and Duty of the Secretary be..to enter Copies thereof in the Society �s Books, and make out Copies for distant Members. 1915 W. S. Maugham Of Human Bondage xxiv. 101 He made out a list of books which Philip was to read. 1814 J. Austen Mansfield Park II. xiii. 293 �You cannot think I mean to hurry you,� said he in an under voice, perceiving the amazing trepidation with which she made up the note. 1975 R. Davies World of Wonders (1977) ii. v. 189, I had to make up the call-lists, so that the call-boy..could warn the actors when they were wanted on stage.
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12 Jun 2015
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Gi2gi
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I was wondering which preposition Shakespeare would put here, then. :)))) |
12 Jun 2015
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cunliffe
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Fair enough Alex, these things are always possible, but the most usual usage of �make up � is to make up er,,,as in imagine or pretend e.g. �He �s always making stories up �. Ask this in the past tense and it becomes clear. �Have you made the list up? � You would say, �Have you made the list? � |
12 Jun 2015
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almaz
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@ Giorgi � just for you: 1623 Shakespeare & J. Fletcher Henry VIII i. i. 89 He makes vp the File Of all the Gentry. (file here meaning list or catalogue)
:)))) @ Lynne: There are at least a dozen different senses of make up - each with its own subtle nuances. Yours is only one of them.
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12 Jun 2015
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Gi2gi
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Almaz, I �m impressed :))) All the same,could you be so kind as to answer one final question: have you heard many ordinary Brits around you say they were making up a shopping list? (unless they were quoting Maugham or Jane Austen, of course...) |
12 Jun 2015
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corinad
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thank you for your answers, they are very useful! |
13 Jun 2015
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