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 joanadelmar
 
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							| Help using relative clauses 
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							| Which do you think is the best sentence or are all of them correct? 
 Join the two sentences using a relative pronoun:    Kevin Mitnick is a famous hacker. We read about him in the papers.   
 Kevin Mitnick, who we read about in the papers, is a famous hacker.
   Kevin Mitnick, whom we read about in the papers, is a famous hacker.   Kevin Mitnick, about whom we read in the papers, is a famous hacker.   
 Thanks!
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 maryse pey�
 
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							| A simpler sentence may be : We read about Kevin Mitnick, (who is) a famous hacker, in the papers.   Otherwise the 3 sentences sound grammatically right to me but not really natural. I may be wrong of course and several opinions are better than only one. |  29 May 2017     
					
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 redcamarocruiser
 
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							| In this sentence, "Kevin Mitnick, whom we read about...." we should use whom because Kevin is the object.    Kevin Mittnick, about whom we read, is also correct.    �Who �,  the nominative case, is only used with subjects in a sentence.   "whom we read about" gets 217,000 hits in google.   "who we read about" got 10 hits. |  29 May 2017     
					
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 cunliffe
 
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							| To my English ears,  �whom � sounds pretentious; it �s going, leaving the language. You rarely hear it, although you do read it, still. To be honest, I use it occasionally and it makes me feel smug, superior!  Of course, it is correct, but anyone under 30, 40? wouldn �t know how to use it. Language changes and I regret the loss of  �whom � but its days are numbered.   |  30 May 2017     
					
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 joanadelmar
 
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							|  I agree with you cunliffe: it sounds pretentious, but it �s gramatically correct.    maryse peyé, Thanks for making it simpler.   Thanks for your help cunliffe, redcamarocruiser and maryse peyé.   Have a nice week.    |  30 May 2017     
					
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 RabbitWho
 
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							| Yes, you can always use whom when "who" is the object of the clause. |  30 May 2017     
					
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 nawfel
 
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							| Kevin Mitnick is  such a famous hacker that we read about him in the papers |  31 May 2017     
					
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 scottmason
 
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							| 2 and 3 are grammaticaly correct. "Who" the nominative case, is only used with subjects in a sentence. I think this might be helpful: Spanish to English . It offers daily grammar & vocabulary lessons and instant translation! |  31 Jul 2017     
					
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