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 myemma
 
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							| Dear friends!  Could you be so kind to explain  some fact in grammar! In indirect speech , can we use the  word lately or recently   . For example: He said" I have been to Kiev  lately"  .  In what way I should  change the word lately?  He said that he had been to Kiev........?    It is known that some word are changed-  this  - that, today- that day  and so on...     Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    |  1 Apr 2009      
					
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 eng789
 
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							| I agree  ladybird_  -  they don �t change |  1 Apr 2009     
					
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 goodnesses
 
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							| Hi, there! what about using "shortly before"?
 
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 eng789
 
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							| Shortly stays the same -  but what do you mean by "shortly before"-   As in                She said," I �ll see you shortly, before the bell rings".   She said that she would see me shortly, before the bell rang". |  1 Apr 2009     
					
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 goodnesses
 
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							| It is just a suggestions. (no idea of a rule!!) I think it could mean before the moment the person spoke.
 
 I agree with you that when we have "shortly" in the direct sp we can keep it since the listener in the 2 cases (D or I) would understand the same ie. shortly before the moment of speakinf or a certain point in the time.
 Howvever, "lately" always refers to a short moment before or around the present time.
 
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 eng789
 
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							| lately -  within the last few days or weeks, or not too long ago   "I haven �t seen Steve lately." She said that she hadn �t seen Steve lately. |  1 Apr 2009     
					
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 goodnesses
 
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							| Yes, but what if she said this a long time ago (say many months/years ago) and you are reporting it today (telling a story).Personally, I would understand she told this "within the last few days or weeks, or not too long ago" and not a long ago. |  1 Apr 2009     
					
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 eng789
 
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							|   "I haven �t seen Steve lately."  Since then a year has passed and now I am reporting to my friend what she said to me back then.   When I saw her last year, she told me that she hadn �t seen Steve lately.    I don �t see a problem.  |  1 Apr 2009     
					
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 Zora
 
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							| Or... 
 
 For - "I haven �t seen Steve lately."  and a year has passed and now you are reporting to your friend what
she said to you back then.   When I saw her last year, she told me that she hadn �t seen Steve in a while"
 In a while - takes away the sense of "now" or present time that "lately and recently" have...
 
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 goodnesses
 
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							| eng789 Maybe you �re right but I can"t stand "lately and recently" referring to anything but, as you say, "within the last few days or weeks, or not too long ago"
 
 
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 goodnesses
 
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							| That is it Zora, Right in time. LOL 
 "in a while" is much better than "shortly before.
 
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