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APART FROM VS EXCEPT FOR....??????



Greek Professor
Greece

APART FROM VS EXCEPT FOR....??????
 
GOOD EVENING EVERYONE....
 I HOPE YOU ARE ALL FINE....
 
Need some enlightening....
 
I KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN [EXCEPT FOR AND APART FROM]...BUT CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHY B. IS CORRECT....
 
´Did the camping trip go well? ´
´.......................one minor accident, we had a great time. ´
a] Apart from
b] Except for
c] Instead
d] Although
 
Or...is there a typo mistake... like from and for shouldn ´t be there?
 
Thanks in advance
 

18 Jan 2010      



stella_bc5
Spain

I ´ll try to explain to you because in Spanish it ´s quite clear but I don ´t know if you ´ll understand me.
There isn ´t any typo mistake.
´Except for ´ means ´with the exception of ´, that is, the trip went well but they only had one problem.
 
Compare these two sentences:
´Apart from being allergic to nuts I ´m also allergic to eggs ´
´Except for being allergic to nuts I have no other health problems.
 
I hope this helps you.
 
 
 

18 Jan 2010     



yanogator
United States

Stella,
I think "In addition to being allergic to nuts, I ´m allergic to eggs" would be much better.
 
Prof,
"Except for" is definitely correct. At the moment, I can ´t come up with a good example for "apart from", because I never use that expression.
 
Bruce

19 Jan 2010     



Greek Professor
Greece

Thanks... but what do I tell my students...How do I go about explaining why B is correct and not A...

I too would choose B...but....I need an explanation... HELP....I cant come up with one either...

Well I ´m off to bed as its 1:10am... Anwers are all welcome...

I will see them in the morning...EH! in a few hours...

Thanks again..

19 Jan 2010     



anaisabel001
Spain

—Idiom
     except for, if it were not for: She would travel more except for lack of money.



19 Jan 2010     



mena22
Portugal

Hi! According to Michael Swan - Practical English Usage, 2nd Edition, OUP - Apart from can be used in 2 senses:

     1. meaning "besides", i.e., that you are going to add something (plus +): "Apart from      the violin, he plays the piano and the flute."

     2. meaning subtraction (minus -): "I like all musical instruments apart from/ except (for) the violin."
 (in this sentence "for" can be omitted because it ´s after "all".)
 
So, according to him, we would say that both apart from and except for are correct in the sentence you gave us. Or am I wrong?

19 Jan 2010     



darryl_cameron
Hong Kong

Makes sense Mena Smile
 
Yes, so if you follow Mina ´a statements, you get to the correct answer as B, because the  ´accident ´ and ´great camping trip ´ are exclusive.
 
IMHO: The speaker really wants to emphasise the separation of ´accident ´ from ´great time ´, so except leaves no doubt, whereas apart from may not.

19 Jan 2010     



volga
United States

Mena, you cited a great source, but according to Swan, only ´except for ´ is correct here, because you ´re subtracting that accident from the great time, not adding to it. ;0)

I actually study word sequences (different types) and I know that ´apart from ´ is rare in spoken discourse. It is mostly used in writing (magazines, fiction, and especially in academic writing).

Cheers!
Volga

19 Jan 2010     



Jayho
Australia

My NS gut feeling was that both are acceptable (in Australian English).
 
I checked Swan (3rd ed., 102) and he  says that ´apart from´ can be used in both senses.  There´s more here: http://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/apart-from.
 
IMHO both are correct but option B is probably more appropriate for learners when applying the basic rules.  You can explain it using Swan´s material (subtracting from the experience).  As learners immerse themselves in the language they will see ´apart from´ used in both senses.
 
Ozzies use ´apart from´ frequently in spoken discourse, in both senses, so there might be a difference in actual usage between SAE and SBE (we generally follow SBE).
 
Cheers
 
Jayho
 
 
 

19 Jan 2010     



volga
United States

Cool, Jayho! Of course, I didn ´t know that. :o) 

19 Jan 2010     



Samantha.esl
Italy

What an interesting post! I ´ve learnt something else today!
Thank you teachers!

19 Jan 2010     

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