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Ask for help > APART FROM VS EXCEPT FOR....??????
APART FROM VS EXCEPT FOR....??????
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Greek Professor
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APART FROM VS EXCEPT FOR....??????
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GOOD EVENING EVERYONE....
I HOPE YOU ARE ALL FINE....
Need some enlightening....
I KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN [EXCEPT FOR AND APART FROM]...BUT CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHY B. IS CORRECT....
�Did the camping trip go well? �
�.......................one minor accident, we had a great time. �
a] Apart from
b] Except for
c] Instead
d] Although
Or...is there a typo mistake... like from and for shouldn �t be there?
Thanks in advance
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18 Jan 2010
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stella_bc5
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I �ll try to explain to you because in Spanish it �s quite clear but I don �t know if you �ll understand me.
There isn �t any typo mistake.
�Except for � means �with the exception of �, that is, the trip went well but they only had one problem.
Compare these two sentences:
�Apart from being allergic to nuts I �m also allergic to eggs �
�Except for being allergic to nuts I have no other health problems.
I hope this helps you.
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18 Jan 2010
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yanogator
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Stella,
I think "In addition to being allergic to nuts, I �m allergic to eggs" would be much better.
Prof,
"Except for" is definitely correct. At the moment, I can �t come up with a good example for "apart from", because I never use that expression.
Bruce |
19 Jan 2010
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Greek Professor
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Thanks... but what do I tell my students...How do I go about explaining why B is correct and not A...
I too would choose B...but....I need an explanation... HELP....I cant come up with one either...
Well I �m off to bed as its 1:10am... Anwers are all welcome...
I will see them in the morning...EH! in a few hours...
Thanks again.. |
19 Jan 2010
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anaisabel001
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�Idiom
except for, if it were not for: She would travel more except for lack of money.
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19 Jan 2010
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mena22
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Hi! According to Michael Swan - Practical English Usage, 2nd Edition, OUP - Apart from can be used in 2 senses:
1. meaning "besides", i.e., that you are going to add something (plus +): "Apart from the violin, he plays the piano and the flute."
2. meaning subtraction (minus -): "I like all musical instruments apart from/ except (for) the violin."
(in this sentence "for" can be omitted because it �s after "all".)
So, according to him, we would say that both apart from and except for are correct in the sentence you gave us. Or am I wrong? |
19 Jan 2010
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darryl_cameron
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Makes sense Mena 
Yes, so if you follow Mina �a statements, you get to the correct answer as B, because the �accident � and �great camping trip � are exclusive.
IMHO: The speaker really wants to emphasise the separation of �accident � from �great time �, so except leaves no doubt, whereas apart from may not. |
19 Jan 2010
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volga
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Mena, you cited a great source, but according to Swan, only �except for � is correct here, because you �re subtracting that accident from the great time, not adding to it. ;0)
I actually study word sequences (different types) and I know that �apart from � is rare in spoken discourse. It is mostly used in writing (magazines, fiction, and especially in academic writing).
Cheers!
Volga
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19 Jan 2010
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Jayho
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My NS gut feeling was that both are acceptable (in Australian English).
IMHO both are correct but option B is probably more appropriate for learners when applying the basic rules. You can explain it using Swan�s material (subtracting from the experience). As learners immerse themselves in the language they will see �apart from� used in both senses.
Ozzies use �apart from� frequently in spoken discourse, in both senses, so there might be a difference in actual usage between SAE and SBE (we generally follow SBE).
Cheers
Jayho
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19 Jan 2010
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volga
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Cool, Jayho! Of course, I didn �t know that. :o)
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19 Jan 2010
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Samantha.esl
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What an interesting post! I �ve learnt something else today!
Thank you teachers!
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19 Jan 2010
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