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have been - have gone



perma
Greece

have been - have gone
 
Hello everyone!
Got a question:
In a transformation exercise we ve got as first sentence "He flew to London on Friday and he s still there."
The second sentence (the answer) must be like "He has ......... since Friday"
Which one is correct:
1) He has been in London since Friday
2) He has gone to London since Friday

Or are they both possible?

I think 1 is correct and 2 doesn t sound right to me, but one of my best students insists that 2 is correct, based on the difference between has gone and has been, as commonly taught in esl classes. (has been = he went there sometime in the past & has gone = he s still there)

What do you think?





12 Dec 2011      



zailda
Brazil

He has been to London
 
He has gone to London

12 Dec 2011     



redcamarocruiser
United States

you are correct and your student is wrong in American English.

12 Dec 2011     



Minka
Slovenia

He went to London and he s back - He s been to London. (EXPERIENCE)
He went to London and he s still there - (RESULT: You can t talk to him, he isn t here right now,...) he s gone to London.

As soon as you add "since" the second one becomes impossible.

He s been IN London since Friday. (DURATION: HOW LONG?)

12 Dec 2011     



Lovely Lana
Greece

Katerina, you re right, the first sentence is correct. I know the feeling - sometimes when a student (the good one) insists on something you know is wrong, you start doubtingSmile

As Minka put it,   "As soon as you add "since" the second one becomes impossible"


12 Dec 2011     



perma
Greece

thank you Hug

13 Dec 2011     



ramel1
Czech Republic

My idea: I think your student means been vs. gone as a past participle of to go.

But there is in London not to London, so the werb is to be, then "been" is right.

13 Dec 2011     



Elenie
Greece

You re right! You need to use "has been" in its original meaning to say he IS IN London and he got there on  Friday and not to say" he went  to London and came back". It s like saying "I have been sad lately". 

In this case "has been" could also mean "is located" if I could say that, if you get the translation I mean in Greek.
Besides Minka is right! As soon as you put since you can t refer to someting that is finished (went to London and came back).

13 Dec 2011