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possessive´s



lucile
France

possessive´s
 
Hello, everybody !
a colleague asked me a question and I must confess that I can�t help her, neither another colleague. It�s about possessive �s. Here it is :
 
What would you write ? : - "The actress�s dress" or "the actress� dress" ?
 
Thank you for your help
 
Lucile

23 Jan 2009      





Zora
Canada

I believe the rule is if the word is plural/ ends in "s" we use just the apostrophe.

Example:

The actress� house.

The boys� mother.


23 Jan 2009     



MartaZ
Poland

Hi,

I�m afraid it�s rather �The actress�s dress�.

M. Swan (in his Practical Grammar Usage) says that you can sometimes add an apostrophe to a singular noun ending in -s, but rather to older and foreign names (e.g. Socrates� ideas). But �s is a more common form:
e.g. Denis�s horrible wife
      Dickens�s novels
      Tess�s famiy
      James�s car
      the boss�s office

and therefore actress�s dress :)

Best!

Marta

23 Jan 2009     



douglas
United States

It�s actress�s --possesive is one of the first items covered in Strunk and White�s grammar guide ("THE" US standard for about 70 years).  If I remember right it has to do with the double vs single consonant.
 
Douglas

23 Jan 2009     



Minie
France

Hello !
 
I would say: the actress�s dress, but the actresses� dresses
Cheers !
Minie

23 Jan 2009     



Zora
Canada

A direct quote from wikipedia on the possesive:

basic rule (singular nouns)

For most singular nouns the ending �s is added; e.g., the cat�s whiskers.

  • If a singular noun ends with an /s/ or a /z/ sound (spelled with -s, -se, -z, -ce, for example), practice varies as to whether to add �s or the apostrophe alone. A widely accepted practice is to follow whichever spoken form is judged better: the boss�s shoes, Mrs Jones� hat (or Mrs Jones�s hat, if that spoken form is preferred). In many cases, both spoken and written forms differ between writers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostrophe#Possessive_apostrophe

23 Jan 2009     



douglas
United States

There is a lot of controversy on this all over the web.  I tend to follow Strunk and White (probably the most used grammar guide in US Universities).

 

 I found this interesting little tidbit at:

http://www.legalwritingpro.com/articles/C15-feeling-possessive.php

When the Supreme Court reviewed Kansas v. Marsh last term, the justices didn�t just split over whether to uphold a Kansas death-penalty statute.

They also disagreed over a usage issue that has driven many lawyers to blows: Whether to write �Kansas� statute,� as Justice Thomas did in his majority opinion, or �Kansas�s statute,� as Justice Souter did in his dissent. �

Souter may have lost the substantive battle, but he won this stylistic war: Nearly all authorities agree that if you want to make a possessive out of a singular noun like Kansas that ends in an s, you need to add �s at the end. Just call it �Ross�s Rule.�

Better yet, remember it as Strunk & White�s �First Rule,� which it�s been since that classic�s first edition:

Form the possessive singular of nouns by adding �s.

Exceptions: Classical or biblical names, such as Moses, which take only an apostrophe: Moses�.

23 Jan 2009     



alien boy
Japan

Here is a quote from Swan�s �Practical English Usage�, 3rd ed.

spelling

We sometimes just add an apostrophe (�)  to a singular noun ending in -s, especially in literary and classical references.

Socrates� ideas. Dickens� novels

But (�s) is more common.

Mr Lewis�s dog

We can add�s or � to a whole phrase.

the man next door�s wife
Henry the Eighth�s six wives
the Smiths� new house

Note the difference between, for example:

Joe and Ann�s children (one lot of children: Joe and Ann are their parents)
Joe�s and Ann�s children (two separate lots of children: Joe�s and Ann�s)


However, in spoken English you will find the additional (�s) is dropped by many speakers.

Cheers,
ab

24 Jan 2009