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 oumsalsabil
 
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							| Hi guys, I want esl members to discuss with me how to link the two sentences below with the relative pronoun WHOM because i �m a bit confused James king is an American inventor. We give him all the credit  for the invention of the washing machine. Do we say: James king is the American inventor whom we give  all the credit  for the invention of the washing machine. or/ James king  ,whom we give all the credit  for the invention of the washing machine, is an American inventor.   And what about the relative pronoun whom, can we leave it out since it replaces the object of the verb in the relative clause?  Please do provide me with answers qiuckly if you can because I will work on the sentences with my students this morning. THANK YOU A LOT. 
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 anaram
 
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							| Both sentences are correct and there are some other options, it
depends on what information you want to emphasize; what you
think is additional would go between comas if you make a non-defining clause. I
prefer the first option because I had never heard of this man before so all the
information comes to me at the same level. As for
deleting the pronoun, you can only do so in the first case, in non-defining
clauses the pronoun is compulsoryI hope it helps. 
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 cunliffe
 
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							| You need to say to whom, because if you are using whom, which is rather old fashioned and formal, you should be absolutely correct. I would think that anybody English under the age of 14 would understand the meaning of this, but wouldn �t ever use whom. 
 Unless you are writing for an academic paper or such, I would say, 
  �James King is the American inventor who we give all the credit for the invention of the washing machine. � it �s clumsy though.  �who gets all the credit � is better - but I understand that �s not the point here. 
 As for the position of the clauses, it depends on what you want to emphasise, as anaram says.  The first one emphasises that he gets the credit for inventing the washing machine and the second emphasises the fact that he is an American inventor.  |  6 May 2013     
					
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 yanogator
 
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							| I agree with Lynne.   You can �t leave "whom" out of these examples.   Bruce |  6 May 2013     
					
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