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Greek Professor
Greece

GRAMMAR POINT
 

Hello all...
I have  query!!!
Could someone enlighten me with the different please..I need a simple explanation for my students.

A) Not to have made
B) Never having done...

Sentence: 
..........one, I wouldn īt have a clue.
B is the answer...

Thank you in advanced

7 Feb 2015      



dmharg
Greece

You need present participle  in Greek (since you are Greek) is (-ontas,      mi exontas kani....)

7 Feb 2015     



Greek Professor
Greece

And what does(A) mean????

7 Feb 2015     



isa2
Austria

Can you specify the context, please?

7 Feb 2015     



redcamarocruiser
United States

Here are two possible contexts for such a construction (never having done): 
 
How can they balance so long in a handstand? 
Never having done one, I wouldn īt have a clue. (One = a handstand)
I have never done one, so I wouldn īt have the slightest idea of how it is done.
 
What is the procedure of  replacing a heart valve?
Never having done one, I wouldn īt have a clue. (One = the valve replacement procedure) 
I have never done one, so I wouldn īt have the slightest idea of how it is done.
 
Here are two possible contexts for the other construction (not to have made)
 
How silly of me not to have made the connection between music and mathematics. It is so obvious.
How silly of me not to have recognized the relationship between music and mathematics. It is so obvious.
 
People make choices today that their future selves would prefer not to have made
People do things today that at some point, they will wish they had not done. 
 
--Mary 

7 Feb 2015     



dmharg
Greece

Not to have made    this one doesn īt make any sense to me and seems completely incorrect.  
 
I have encountered it in structures like : You should not have made such a mistake. The past participle in the beggining of the sentence is translated (-menos) in Greek
 

8 Feb 2015     



Gi2gi
Georgia

"not to have made" is quite possible and correct, when you need a perfect infinitive form, as in the following sentence:
 
He seems not to have made the right decision. (He seems NOW that he did not make the right decision IN THE PAST)
 
Hope this helps.
 
Giorgi 

8 Feb 2015