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No sooner



alicevideira
Portugal

No sooner
 
a)No sooner did I see him than I talked to him.
 
 
b)No sooner did I see him, I talked to him. 
 
 
Can we use "no sooner" without "than"? Is it grammatically correct?
 
 
 
Thanks!
 
 
 

15 Apr 2018      





redcamarocruiser
United States

I looked it up in my Practical English Usage by Michael Swan, and his examples all included than.  I agree that omitting the "than"  sounds incomplete.  http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learningenglish/radio/specials/1535_questionanswer/page61.shtml  Here are the examples by Michael Swan 

16 Apr 2018     



FrauSue
France

I think you need the �than � because it is a comparative (sooner than).

16 Apr 2018     



ldthemagicman
United Kingdom

Dear alicevideira:
 
Can we use "no sooner" without "than"? Is it grammatically correct? �
 
I cannot think of a suitable example where �than � is NOT used.
 
Randolph Quirk, in "A Comprehensive Grammar of the English Language", page 999.
 
"Correlative Subordinators = [ �pairs of linking words �]"
�no sooner ... than ... �
�no sooner ... when ... � (informal)
 
So, according to Quirk, �No sooner ... when ... � can be used INFORMALLY.
But, I don �t ever recall hearing it used like this!
 
Page 1001 
�no sooner ... than �
 
�barely/hardly/scarcely ... when/before �
  
"There is a traditional objection to the use of when as correlative with no sooner and to the use of than as correlative with the three negative adverbs."
 
In other words:
 
�No sooner ... than ... � = OK
�No sooner ... when ... � NOT OK.
 
�Barely ... when ... � = OK.
�Hardly ... when ... � = OK.
�Scarcely ... when ... � = OK. 
 
�Barely ... before ... � = OK.
�Hardly ... before ... � = OK.
�Scarcely ... before ... � = OK.

�Barely ... than ... � = NOT OK.
�Hardly ... than ... � = NOT OK.
�Scarcely ... than ... � = NOT OK.
 
Page 1005:
"There is a stereotyped construction:"

"No sooner said than done!" OK
"It was no sooner said than done!" OK
 
I hope that I have helped you.
 
Les Douglas 

16 Apr 2018     



alicevideira
Portugal

Thanks a bunch!

16 Apr 2018     



Jayho
Australia

Great question!
 
t �s a formal expression and not commonly used in everyday conversation these days, but one might use it when recounting a story or event.
 
Most websites state that than is required, however Cambridge said usually, although they didn �t give an example without than.
 
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/grammar/british-grammar/word-order-and-focus/no-sooner 
 
So, as the others said, than should be used.
 
Cheers
 
Jayho 
 
 

16 Apr 2018