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kaz76
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I thought that Pietro�s sentence looked ok (That looks like being the best solution.)
I have checked in Michael Swan and it is used in British English:
�Look like being� is occasionally used informally in British English with future reference
It looks like being a wet night = it looks as if it will be a wet night
It�s interesting to see how different English is in different parts of the world, where in one part of the world it is completely wrong but in another it�s completely fine lol
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4 Dec 2008
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goodnesses
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Your quote Pietro are clear as crystal water.
"satisfactory" infers that it is not (completely) correct but can be accepted and "odd" means completely strange that is incorrect.
So Zora�s sentence �It looks like the best solution;" is the correct way.
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4 Dec 2008
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Pietro
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kaz76  yep, that�s somehow charming, though it creats far many difficulties for us, teachers (well, we�re learners in the first place) =))
Zora - f Oh, now I see your point. Though I doubt whether "look like" is a phrasal verb - I suppose it�s just a prepositional verb requiring "like" after it. And after the preposition "like" there can come a noun or a gerund. But still, I can�t understand what part of the sentence the work "look" is then.
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4 Dec 2008
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Pietro
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goodnesses Well, Zora said that "being" is quite all right here, though a better way to put it is "look to be..." according to her. Let�s agree that all these sentences suggested are more or less possible (though grammatically they really are), shall we? The most important thing I�m up to here was to define what parts of speech/sentences "look" and "like" are =)
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4 Dec 2008
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Zora
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...look like, look forward to, look up to, look down on, look into ... are all phrasals...
"look like" is your verb...
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4 Dec 2008
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Pietro
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Zora - f Oh well, I wish I could agree with you, but I failed to find them in any of my dictionaries beside me (Longman Dic of Contemporary Eng, Macmillan English Dictionary, Oxford Dic of Phrasal Verbs, some Russian edition of a Phrasal verbs dictionary). I could try and prove it�s not a phrasal verb, if you like. :my friends always ask me: what�s that you find engaging in language learning?? that�s boring... =))) though I can�t agree with them!:
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5 Dec 2008
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Pietro
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This is the way I also see it and can�t agree more with the following: (from Longman Grammar of Spoken and Written English, pp 403-404) Multi-word lexical verbs There are four major kinds of multi-word combinations that comprise relatively
idiomatic units and function like single verbs:
verb + adverbial particle: phrasal verbs, e.g. pick up
verb + preposition: prepositional verbs, e.g. look at
verb + particle + preposition: phrasal-prepositional verbs, e.g. get away with
other multi-word verb constructions, notably: verb + noun phrase (+
preposition) e.g. take a look (at); verb + prepositional phrase, e.g. take into
account; verb + verb, e.g. make do.
Phrasal verbs are multi-word units consisting of a verb followed by an adverbial
particle (e.g. carry out,find out, or pick up). These adverbial particles all have core
spatial or locative meanings (e.g. out, in, up, down, on, 08h;o wever, they are
commonly used with extended meanings. In contrast, prepositional verbs consist
of a verb followed by a preposition, such as look at, talk about, listen to. Phrasalprepositional
verbs contain both an adverbial particle and a preposition, as in get
away with.
Phrasal verbs and prepositional verbs usually represent single semantic units
that cannot be derived from the individual meanings of the two parts. As such,
they are often simple lexical verbs that have similar meanings to multi-word verb
units.
Further... Structural criteria are more important for combinations with a following
noun phrase, to determine whether the combination is functioning as a phrasal
verb, prepositional verb, or free combination. One important factor is the
possibility of particle movement, the optional placement of the particle either
before or after the object noun phrase. Nearly all transitive phrasal verbs allow
particle movement, while such movement is not possible with prepositional verbs
or free combinations:
I�ve got to get this one back for her mom. ( c o ~ v )
I went to Eddie�s girl�s house to get back my wool plaid shirt. (PICT~)
K came back and picked up the note. (PICT)
He picked the phone up. (PICT)
Compare the impossibility of particle movement with the following prepositional
verbs:
I�m waitingfor somebody to come and get me. ( c o ~ v )
I had never thought about them. (FICT)
It was hard to look at him. (NEWS)
Availability depends on their being close to the root (ACAD~)
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5 Dec 2008
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Pietro
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Well, there is a number of definitions, I guess. And I�m still sure that "look at" can�t be a phrasal verb as the preposition doesn�t really change the meaning of the word, it just conveys the meaning containing itself. Otherwise it�d be quite reasonable to conclude that "to go to" and "to go by" (to live in, to live with etc.) are also phrasal verbs.
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5 Dec 2008
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