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plagiarism



Damielle
Argentina

plagiarism
 
going back to the issue you have been discussing on the forum:
 
 
 
 
I want to raise the issue of plagiarism. Do you know what the term refers to?
 
If you use a text or sthg created by another person without giving its credit to the author you may be plagiriazing his/her job. Itīs difficult to absolutely avoid plagiarism, but we can do our best, canīt we?
 
read the following:
 
 
All of us are subject to use somebody elseīs creation because as some of you had pointed out, we may not know how to write about sthg or may not be good at drawing, for example. Nevertheless, It would be correct to quote the source whenever we can.
 
Just copying and pasting pictures on a worksheet have been a controversial issue on the forum. But what about texts that have been copied and pasted without quoting the source or giving its credits to the author? I have seen several of them in the site.
 
Let me tell you what I have been told to do here,  in my country: We can use the texts (even adapt them) to produce worksheet but the number of words shouldnīt exceed 1,000 and we have to quote the source with as much information we have.
 
And Iīm not only thinking about the legal matter. Iīm just considering that as teachers we have to mind the intellectual work of other teachers. All of us may feel uncomfortable if we see our worksheets posted or recycled by another member. The same will happen with the author of those texts copied and pasted without any credits given to him/her.
 

30 Dec 2008      



mena22
Portugal

Thanks a lot damielle! Iīve visited the site and read the information carefully. I believe it is common knowledge, but somehow one tends to forget it :(( .   So I find the topic youīve just raised quite interesting for discussion.
 
No one creates from nothing, but everything has a limit! We cannot change a few words or reorder some sentences and say that the text is ours, because thatīs what weīre saying if we donīt write the source. We should write the source and then, between brackets (abridged and adapted) , or just one or the other. I know that sometimes the outcome is so different from the original that itīs difficult to give the credit to the author... after so many hours of hard work, we think, or better saying, we feel that that piece of work is our job and no one elseīs,  but those are the rules and we know it beforehand. The source must be there and I think we should all try to abide by the rules.
 
Even with pictures, we should start being more careful. I know I have, because some of them are really a work of art. But I confess that I am far from abiding by the rules regarding cliparts. There are some that I use frequently and that require the source like www.cutecolors.com or www.graphicgarden.com , but lots of users often use those graphics in their printables and donīt refer to the source. But I know thatīs very difficult to say where we took every single picture from and I really donīt know if we have to, do we?
 
Some users (me included, twice, I think) sometimes say in the description that they donīt remember where the text was taken from, but they like it so much that they would like to share it. Is that also considered plagiarism? I mean, weīre saying it is not ours, but whose is it? Iīd like to hear the membersī opinions on this, because, as Iīve just said, it has already happened to me.
 
Also, when the user writes his/her own text, what should she do? I usually just write in the description something about it  ("it wasnīt easy to create a story within the story", or something like that) and, of course, no source appears below the text. What do you think?
 
Sometimes we also make games, grammar exercises.... inspired on different authors. I believe the rules also apply in this case, unless they are common knowlege, in this case, common exercises like filling in the gaps, sentence completing... nothing new!
 
Well, Iīm looking forward to read your opinions on this issue. Thank you so much.
 
Best wishes,
mena
 
 
 
 
 
 

30 Dec 2008     



mena22
Portugal

Oooops! Iīm looking forward to reading your opinions.

30 Dec 2008     



Damielle
Argentina

Yes mena, you are right, itīs really difficult to quote every source. We sometimes take other peopleīs idea to design our wss but thatīs common because we need some imput to get our inspiration.
 
The most serious case is that of some wss based on texts copied and pasted from some other sites or books without giving the credits to its author or quoting the site. I donīt want to highlight those worksheets by giving the links but there are many. Whatīs more, they have received wonderful comments because of "the originality of that work" or similar ones, but even then, the uploader didnīt mention the original source. I wonder, is that correct?
 
And I agree with you, if we donīt know the source or donīt remember it, we should at least  mention that the text is not ours. Nevertheless the rules say the following "You will never send printables whose origin you donīt know (worksheets borrowed from other teachers, for example). " Should it apply to a part of the printable, I mean, to an exersice or a text, for example?

30 Dec 2008     



mena22
Portugal

I agree that we should not get too "particular" on the issue. Just like youīve said, letīs avoid pointing out names and worksheets. There are indeed plenty of them and itīs very embarrassing seeing so many nice comments and at the same time realize that the uploader didnīt have the courage to thank but give the credit to its owner. That is not correct!

As to our last question, I really would like to have an answer for that. In my particular case, I didnīt remember the source of the text, but the exercises were mine. But I really donīt know if we can upload under these circunstances. Letīs hope some other teachers get involved in the discussion and share their opinions with us. Itīs  already very late now.
hugs, mena

30 Dec 2008     



Damielle
Argentina

I love this picture!!!!

30 Dec 2008     



wolfy
Chile

The problem with this issue is where to draw the line, we all agree that copy pasting is wrong, but how much work would be considered OK.  We all have different views but it becomes too difficult to administrate.  What most sites do is accept anything and have a removal policy if the author objects.  We have a similar system.

All the images I have used are taken from google not any particular site.  I search in google and right click save image as (what Iīm saving is a thumbnail representation of the image not the image itself).

Most if not all images are available from several sources (most of the images on this site are available on here and the original).  It becomes difficult to find the original.  Someone posted a youtube link the other day, (the sad flying kiwi) It was a copy.  I was never able to find the original.

30 Dec 2008