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" ŋ" and "n"
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mari_18cf
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" ŋ" and "n"
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Can anyone help me with the difference between this phonetic sound " ŋ" and "n". I have watched 3 videos and I can �t notice the diference in pronunciation.
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14 Jul 2012
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yanogator
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Based on the TINY bit that I know about Portuguese, if you said "sim" in Portuguese, it would sound like the English word "sing", which ends in the ŋ sound.Or I could be totally wrong about this.Bruce |
14 Jul 2012
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mari_18cf
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Hey Iza, I �ve already checked this!! |
14 Jul 2012
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maryse pey�
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They are not the same sound : the 1st one is for the final -ing of a word whereas "n" is for the consonant "n". To summarize, for the 1st phonetic sound the letter "n" must be followed by the letter "g". Hope this will help. |
14 Jul 2012
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moravc
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"ŋ" you can find in all gerunds - working, sleeping, watching, sitting, smiling, teaching
"ŋ": sing, song, tong, long, king, gang, hung, pong, ring, wing, bring, along, sting, young, strong, oblong, penang, hang, sprung, belong, ...
"n" followed by "ŋ" in: cleaning /kli:niŋ/, running, shining, grinning ...
"ŋ" followed by "ŋ" in: hanging, belonging, longing, singing, clinging...
Please note that these words - ("minimal pairs") DO NOT sound same:
sin x sing, sun x sung, son x song, ton x tong, ton x tongue, tan x tang, tin x ting, thin x thing, kin x king, ran x rang, win x wing, fan x fang, gone x gong, gen x gang, pin x ping, don x dong, ban x bang, hun x hung, clan x clang, din x ding, Don x dong, baron x barong, sinner x singer...
Don �t add an extra sound at the end when pronouncing bang, because it should NOT sound like bank with a "k" sound at the end - more examples:
bank x bang, think x thing, rink x ring, sink x sing, wink x wing, pink x ping, tank x tang, rank x rang, stink x sting, brink x bring...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0leLr_fO4XE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NduCJKb4iR8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1th5v7dXRjk
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14 Jul 2012
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ueslteacher
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I beg to differ Maryse, not always "n" has to be followed by g to form that nasal sound, e. g. in "drank" the "n" is nasal. The "n" sound is formed with the tip of your tongue pressing against the alveoli behind the upper teeth, whereas the nasal "n" is formed with the middle of your tongue touching the soft upper palate.
Edit: btw that�s exactly what the lady in the video is saying so why you can�t get it, Mariana, she is really explaining in all details, I don�t think anyone else would do it better.
@Nika: you�re wrong about think and thing, etc. beeing pronounced with a different "n" sound - the "n" in those pairs of words is nasal.
Sophia
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14 Jul 2012
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moravc
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In my opinion, -N- in -NK and -NG is nasal in both cases, but the word endings sound different - nk≠ng
The whole word BANK ≠ IS NOT pronounced as ≠ BANG
As Sophia pointed out, it is important NOT to pronounce G at the end, because it would sound more like K (as in "bank"). These words are not pronounced same, they are not homophones:
bank x bang, think
x thing, rink x ring, sink x sing, wink x wing, pink x ping, tank x
tang, rank x rang, stink x sting, brink x bring
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14 Jul 2012
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ueslteacher
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The difference here is NOT between the nasal "n" sounds in those words but the different vowel sounds which in the position before "nk" are pronounced differently (softer I �d say) but come the same in the transcription, plus a consonant "k" sound at the end.
BTW in American slang the "ing" is often pronounce as a regular "n" sound :)
Edit: Found another video where all those cases of pronunciation are contrasted
@Mariana: is there a soft "n" in Portuguese (�)? If there is, you can pronounce "ng" just like that soft "n" in your language.
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14 Jul 2012
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