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ESL forum > Message board > Campaign against AFS Yayincilik    

Campaign against AFS Yayincilik





sldiaz
Panama

I already added the link to my facebook.  Thank you so much V�ctor for everything you do, for this wonderful site,  and for creating this amazing community, all my respect and support Clap , Happy Holidays to you and to all my dear colleagues from ESL printables.

27 Dec 2009     



julytis
Argentina

I �ve already informed the Turkish Consulate here in Argentina, I don �t know if they �ll do something about this but at least they know now.

I �m shocked to realize this has happened, and I totally support this campaign.

28 Dec 2009     



Je suis papillon
Argentina

I strongly support this campaign!!!

28 Dec 2009     



AFS YAYINCILIK
Turkey

To all ESL Members;

 

We are truly sorry about how the events developed. We do agree with your comments that it was not ethical to not to ask for permission from the owners of the worksheets which only comprise a fraction of our newest �Learn English� books. However due to the facts that;

 

  1. ESL website is an open ground for exchanging worksheets and that we also submitted several sheets (there was a false accusation about the authenticity of our submitted sheets, they were removed even though they were unique designs),
  2. the sheets that we have downloaded are largely consisting of well known clipart images, all of which were already purchased by us and already used in our various publications,
  3. we witnessed in many schools in Turkey that numerous worksheets from your website were reproduced in huge quantities and distributed to students as it is designed and uploaded by the original designer,
  4. on the contrary of the situation today, there were no warnings of copyright infringement and ownership issues on the worksheets,

 

a few of the downloaded worksheets were proposed by one of our board members to be used in our newest �Learn English� books. These were the facts that misled us to the improper way of using the downloaded sheets and we take full responsibility of this error. Misusage of a property against the will of its rightful owner is strictly against our beliefs.

 

We also design and publish many patented products and we encounter infringement problems quite frequently. However, our correspondents in the other parties have always acted to solve the issue just after receiving our notification about the problem.

 

However, we wish wholeheartedly that someone could notify us or ask for an explanation before or at the same time of declaring this infringement problem on the website. We do not find it ethical to be assaulted by many harsh accusations and disgraceful insults while being denied the opportunity to further investigate the matter and act on a corrective plan. If we could be got in touch the first day, you would instantly see the positive reaction that we maintain today even when confronted by the boycott campaign and various attempts for hacking our website.

 

For years, and as of today, we worked with a considerable number of teachers and education professionals who are all satisfied by the level of our business ethics. The downloaded worksheets are not related to the main subjects of the books and comprise only a small fraction of the published book. Revising these problematic books will be completed in a few days and will be sent anyone upon request. To further reinforce our point, we invite our Turkish colleagues who are avid supporters of the campaign to our offices and help them see the revising process as well as our whole product portfolio.

 

Speaking of our portfolio, these newest �Learn English� books are just one of our hundreds of products. Today we exceeded all our competitors in terms of innovations and number of patents we obtained. It�s a point that should be emphasized that benefiting from our mistake, there are particular employees from our competitors who want to escalate this campaign perhaps to a level equivalent of nuclear bombing!

 

In what scale this unjust public-execution may proceed, we will remain here to inform you about the process and will not divert from the path of common sense. We hope to come back with more news during next week.

 

Until then we wish all members and colleagues a happy and problem-free new year. And we especially wish to send our best regards to our Turkish colleagues who were all too eager to support the campaign against us while they could have picked up the phone and ask for explanations.

 

AFS YAYINCILIK

28 Dec 2009     



Bruna Dutra
Brazil

YET AGAIN....

One thing you as a publishing house should know for sure is that �s an old myth that if it doesn �t have a copyright notice, it �s free for use. The real fact it �s that EVERYTHING is copyrighted unless EXPRESSED OTHERWISE. This is the international term, not the opposite.

If you are a serious company, like you have said, you HAVE TO KNOW about this, since the company would also not want to see its work somewhere else, and in fact, it �s only reasonable that before you published anything you would have searched for information about copyrights and would know that already.

As a serious publishing company, 25 years in the market, you would know that it �s YOUR JOB to give credits to ANY WORK that doesn �t belong to the company, you should know that it �s not PROPER to use work without EXPRESSED PERMISSION (personal and/or commercial permission) by the author. It doesn �t matter if the statement was or wasn �t in this website.

Certainly the authors � lawyers, and yours for that matter, will warn the parts (you and the eslprintables.com members who have been injured) that what HAD TO BE EXPLICIT was a notice for free use (both personal and commercial) for you to be able to use all and any work from the website in your books. Which is not the case.

There hasn �t been any confusion or baseless accusations, and AFS YAYINCILIK will certainly have to prove the law courts not only that it didn �t have bad faith, which alone will be hard, but also that didn �t know the international copyrights laws, which being a 25 year-old company, will be almost impossible.

All this community is united and will support all the injured members.
With all due respect, don �t expect any kind of sympathy.
May justice be done.

28 Dec 2009     



maker1
Turkey

At one time they were talking about suing people for false accusations now they are apologising. They are talking about ethics and being reputable yet not denying using someone else �s work in their publications without permission. How can they be trusted and what �s worse, what can prevent other people looking at any one of the Turkish members or a publication company from Turkey without suspicion after such a stir that they have caused which has been going on for weeks and weeks and the banner travelling around the world on many blogs and websites accusing them.

 

 

 

 

 

      

 

 

 

 

 

      

 

 

 

 

 

      

 We are all aware also many people are sending emails to the Turkish Consulates in their countries. As far as I am concerned, good and honest members specially the Turkish ones should continue being the avid supporters of this campaign and should do everything within their power to prevent any publications of AFS from getting into the institutions that they work in because they have no right to blacken the name of a nation and hurt our pride for their own financial benefit.

 

P.S. They should also be sued for depriving us from the good work of Katiana. Happy New Year to EVERYONE.

28 Dec 2009     



Katiana
Spain

How many more lies are you going to tell us?

 

I do not believe a word you are saying. The only truth is that you took our work without our permission. The rules have always been clear, you can�t use the material in our page for commercial purposes, you can�t publish it as you have done. These rules have been in the site since the beginning. Only the copyright labels were added after we found out about your illegal publication. They were added to make things clearer.

 

You claim you uploaded worksheets which were unique designs and that they were unfairly removed. Who do you want to kid? You have two fake accounts, I have proof of this, as you wrote me two pms using one of them. With these fake accounts, you stole materials from other members like Vanda and uploaded them as yours, these are the only worksheets you had fairly removed.

 

You told me in those pms that you had started to withdraw the books from the sale points, another huge lie, as several members found them in different places and were even able to buy them. I�m about to receive the books. Some of them also phoned you to ask for an explanation or went to your office and your explanations were only more lies.

 

I�m sure you thought we would never find out about your fake publications but we have. You can�t stop this spreading all over the world.

 

I�m proud of being part of this big family. I�m glad that our work is being used in thousands of schools, that thousands of photocopies are being distributed to students, that is the purpose of the site. Your purpose was just taking advantage of our work to make money. You deserve every harsh accusation you get. What do you think the Turkish Prime Minister of Education will think of your company when he finds out about this? Have you thought about it?

28 Dec 2009     



Golight
Spain

I �ve shared  your blog in my facebook profile. Thank you so much

29 Dec 2009     



Gia Mel
Chile

To AFS YAYINCILIK:

I think the problem here is that you have used somebody else �s  creations for your personal profit... Many of us have used the WS from this website, but never to SALE or to GAIN something more than learning. As I don �t  think your books are for free, you made a huge mistake trying to cheat these people instead of asking for their permission... 

You claim that you have uploaded some WS here... Why on Earth would you do that? You own a book publishing company, unless you were trying to get something in return for your WS???

To VICTOR and other members of our community:

I support you and any actions you take... I �ve posted the mesage on my Facebook, And sent it to as many teachers as I could...

I �d like that all injustice could be fought as in this case...

Gia Mel.

29 Dec 2009     



libertybelle
United States

I think that Katiana and others here should be informed of how many of their materials are part of this published work and they receive royalties for their creations.

29 Dec 2009     

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